tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5512311610334754148.post4500894012208134259..comments2023-04-20T12:46:11.858-06:00Comments on The Ancestry Insider: Frederic Clift’s Darned First MarriageThe Ancestry Insiderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02490682912125335188noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5512311610334754148.post-14019954717045385072017-02-01T05:32:28.818-07:002017-02-01T05:32:28.818-07:00I was fascinated by all this so decided to see wha...I was fascinated by all this so decided to see what became of Felicia and Frederic.<br /><br />The first marriage was almost certainly void or voidable. Having a licence issued in a false name would be a little like having banns called using names other than those by which the parties were known. Perhaps that was the reason for the second marriage.<br />However digging a little deeper Frederic and Felicia certainly did not live happily ever after. <br />Find A Grave https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi? page=gr&GRid=124822&ref=acom shows that Dr Frderic Clift, Son of Richard Clift and Christian Bottrall Hollocombe. Husband of (1) Felicia Victoria Jones and (2) Sarah Margaret Moody died on 28 March 1913 and is buried at Kaysville City Cemetery Utah.<br />On the site is a picture of him and the grave but the most interesting part is his newspaper obituary, describes in glowing terms his medical skills. When he was last enumerated in England in 1881 in Croydon with Felicia and their two sons Frederick b.abt. 1875 and Cyril b. abt 1898 he was described as a solicitor and Doctor of Laws. RG11; Piece: 822; Folio: 11; Page: 15.<br /> The obituary does say he took up medical studies only after arriving in the US. The obituary refers to his first wife having died in England before Federic left.<br />Using the obituary as a source he married his second wife Mrs Sarah Foster in St George on 31 December 1896. The obituary not only refers to his two surviving children from his second marriage but also the surviving son from his first marriage Eric 'who is in England.' The obituary refers also to Frederic's membership of the LDS Church. <br />He was enumerated in the 1910 Federal Census; Census Year: 1910; Census Place: Provo Ward 5, Utah, Utah; Roll: T624_1610; Page: 13B; Enumeration District: 0196 Complete with Sarah, two of their children and what appear to be her children from her first marriage.<br />One of the true facts in the obituary was that he was a Cambridge graduate as the entry from the Alumni website shows<br />Clift, Frederick.<br />Adm. pens. at CHRIST'S, Nov. 1, 1864.<br />S. of Richard, Esq., of Westow Hill, Upper Norwood, London.<br />Matric. Michs. 1865.<br />Migrated to Magdalene, Oct. 1, 1866; B.A. 1870; LL.M. 1873; LL.D. 1879.<br />Adm. at the Inner Temple, Jan. 9, 1867, as Frederic C., age 20; s. of Richard, stockbroker, of Tusculum, Norwood, Surrey.<br />Name withdrawn, June 18, 1889.<br />(Peile, II. 585; Inner Temple Adm. Bk.; R. L. Lloyd.)<br />What was entirely untrue was that Felicia had died before Frederic left England. In fact she was still alive at the time of his death and was enumerated in 1891 living on own means. Married head of the household with sons Cyril and Eric in Hammersmith and as mother of head of the household in 1911 in Hammersmith when the head was her son Eric. In 1911 she stated she had been married 38 years, that two children had been born of the marriage one of whom had died (Cyril died in 1903) Class: RG14; Piece: 255. .<br />In fact Felicia did not die until 9 November 1933 (Probate Index)when she left a will.<br />A story with all the ingredients of a middle class Victorian scandal.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06607360195331063990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5512311610334754148.post-62349355182385915812016-03-04T15:29:56.260-07:002016-03-04T15:29:56.260-07:00I was flabbergasted one day when one of those Ance...I was flabbergasted one day when one of those Ancestry leaves linked me to a marriage certificate for my parents in 1930 -- four years before they got married. That early marriage was performed over the state line by a justice of the peace. They used their real names and their parents' real names, but fudged their ages to meed the legal minimums. I can recognize their signatures even now. They then went back home, continued to live with their families, and were married by their minister four years later with family and friends attending. I have that marriage license, with names I recognize as attendants. Both documents specify marriages, the church rite wasn't a blessing of the secular act. I have my own guess as to why they did it, but the real frustration is: there's no one of that generation left to ask!<br /><br />hejsan13@gmail.comAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02593392431024751251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5512311610334754148.post-23445731011768069022016-03-04T14:51:30.041-07:002016-03-04T14:51:30.041-07:00When was the first child of this couple born?
When was the first child of this couple born?<br /><br />Erniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17858627113011941412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5512311610334754148.post-42463251110577840052016-03-04T13:05:48.953-07:002016-03-04T13:05:48.953-07:00A search for Felicia Jones would have found it. Bu...A search for Felicia Jones would have found it. But recognising it as the same Felicia Jones would require looking at the certs. <br /><br />It's very odd ...Rosemaryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07230436754902585388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5512311610334754148.post-1576410443269402842016-03-04T10:49:18.240-07:002016-03-04T10:49:18.240-07:00How did you find out about the first marriage? I ...How did you find out about the first marriage? I don't see anything here mentioning the name Nelson.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09168556472967527137noreply@blogger.com