tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5512311610334754148.post6104655619808157975..comments2023-04-20T12:46:11.858-06:00Comments on The Ancestry Insider: New FamilySearch 0.94 on the way?The Ancestry Insiderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02490682912125335188noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5512311610334754148.post-661959049592345102008-08-28T14:41:00.000-06:002008-08-28T14:41:00.000-06:00Dear "Anonymous","For those of you who are dense."...Dear "Anonymous",<BR/><BR/>"For those of you who are dense."<BR/>Whoa! Hold your horses buddy. You don't make friends this way.<BR/><BR/>"What is trying to be said is PAF will not be updated by the Church, but third party companies are providing additional features to PAF"<BR/>Hm, right above your post Tamura Jones corrected the "Ancestry Insider" already. <BR/>You can't have missed it. That post is days old already. <BR/>No need to keep repeating it. What is **YOUR** contribution to the discussion?<BR/><BR/>- GeorgeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5512311610334754148.post-24231900913244986102008-08-28T08:27:00.000-06:002008-08-28T08:27:00.000-06:00Please update PAF for free, I can't possibly be ex...Please update PAF for free, I can't possibly be expected to pay money for updates. No one should be expected to pay money to do Family History work it should all be provided to us at no cost.<BR/><BR/>Ebenezer ScroogeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5512311610334754148.post-18613427151947210822008-08-28T08:21:00.000-06:002008-08-28T08:21:00.000-06:00For those of you who are dense. What is trying to ...For those of you who are dense. What is trying to be said is PAF will not be updated by the Church, but third party companies are providing additional features to PAF. AQ and FamilyInsight will both work from inside PAF to add updated features, including the ability to sync with nFS.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5512311610334754148.post-18273971094866321242008-08-22T05:31:00.000-06:002008-08-22T05:31:00.000-06:00A.I.,I believe you confused a few things.To the be...A.I.,<BR/><BR/>I believe you confused a few things.<BR/><BR/>To the best of my second-hand knowledge, PAF is based on AQ3 code. <BR/>PAF and AQ still look and feel quite similar, but are not the same program.<BR/>Incline Software is working towards AQ13, but PAF has not been updated since PAF 5.2.18.0 in 2002.<BR/><BR/>I believe Ohana worked with FamilySearch to extend the PAF file format to support NFS via a companion program.<BR/>The last release of GEDCOM is GEDCOM XML 6, also from 2002, but the last PAF update did not add support for it.<BR/>Practically, GEDCOM 5.5.1 from 1999 is the last version.<BR/>One multi-vendor GEDCOM extension worth knowing about is GEDCOM 5.5 EL (Extended Locations).<BR/><BR/>- Tamura JonesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5512311610334754148.post-43387509271889507722008-08-19T16:54:00.000-06:002008-08-19T16:54:00.000-06:00Dear George,Diagnosis spot on.PAF HAS BEEN UPDATED...Dear George,<BR/><BR/>Diagnosis spot on.<BR/><BR/><B>PAF HAS BEEN UPDATED</B><BR/>Yes, in the heat of battle, I wasn't very specific, so I can see how I could lose readers.<BR/><BR/>Gaylon Findlay is the original author of PAF for Windows. Apparently, Findlay's agreement with FamilySearch allows him to continue enhancing his program, although he can't call it by FamilySearch's trademarks "PAF" and "Personal Ancestral File." So, he has continued to enhance his version of PAF under the product name "Ancestral Quest" and company name Incline Software.<BR/><BR/>Thus, by any other name, a more sweetly smelling rose would still... ah... smell... ah... as... ahhhhh... <BR/><BR/>Well, you get my point.<BR/><BR/><B>GEDCOM ENHANCED</B><BR/>Findlay, along with John Vilburn of Ohana Software have enhanced the GEDCOM standard. Their separate products using these enhancements have each been <A HREF="https://devnet.familysearch.org/certification/affiliate-program/AffiliateCertfied" REL="nofollow">certified by FamilySearch</A>. <BR/><BR/>It's a defacto standard, although I don't know if they have made their enhancements public. If Gordon Clarke is monitoring these comments, perhaps he can chime in.<BR/><BR/>I'm glad you enjoyed the fight. Tell your friends. We'll be here all week.<BR/><BR/>-- The InsiderThe Ancestry Insiderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02490682912125335188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5512311610334754148.post-66701440633118479702008-08-18T17:35:00.000-06:002008-08-18T17:35:00.000-06:00Why shouldn't they reject GEDCOM files from AF, PR...Why shouldn't they reject GEDCOM files from AF, PRF, or IGI? They already have all of that data, why re-import it and cause more duplication? It will be a bit awkward for a while until the desktop clients can fully synchronize with nFS, but things will be so much better then.<BR/><BR/>FamilySearch is having some struggles with the new system, no question about it. But it's a big bold move and genealogy has many hard problems to solve. I'd much rather have nFS with it's warts than go back to the PAF-GEDCOM match/merge game/torture that almost no one can play correctly. Collaboration is the future of genealogy, I'm glad nFS is headed that direction, even if they ran into a few bumps along the way (granted, for some people there are bigger bumps).<BR/><BR/>I think about year from now, when there are several tried and tested desktop clients (including PAF), and whatever issues with IOUSes are resolved, we will not miss the old PAF or the old way of doing things. It just might be a bit rough until then.Loganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16071435846979840771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5512311610334754148.post-90160556365600837592008-08-18T17:27:00.000-06:002008-08-18T17:27:00.000-06:00"world-class", "world-class", "world-class", "grou..."world-class", "world-class", "world-class", "ground-breaking", "ground-breaking", "ground-breaking", "world-class", "ground-breaking", <BR/>Did I get them all? ROFL.<BR/>Seriously now. She really hit a world-class nerve, huh? ;-}<BR/><BR/>"PAF has been updated. GEDCOM has gotten new capabilities."<BR/>Hm, as much as I love watching you two fight it out, you lost me here.<BR/>Pray enlighten.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5512311610334754148.post-14631223737004858952008-08-18T10:23:00.000-06:002008-08-18T10:23:00.000-06:00Dear Janet,"Again?" What have they messed up befor...Dear Janet,<BR/><BR/>"Again?" What have they messed up before? <BR/><BR/>"Once again in over their head?" In what way are they in over their head? Their world-class microfilming operation and collection? Their world-class storage vault? Their world-class family history library? Their world-class genealogical research guides? Their world-class, genealogy records extraction (abstracting) projects? Their world-class fiche publication of extracted genealogical data (the extremely large IGI)? Their ground-breaking GEDCOM standard? Their ground-breaking single world pedigree, Ancestral File? Their ground-breaking, world-class (at the time) FamilySearch CD-ROM publications? Their world-class (at the time of its launch) free FamilySearch website? Their world-class microfilm digitization operation? Their ground-breaking web/Java volunteer indexing program?<BR/><BR/>Not that mistakes are bad. I'm a big fan of the book, <I>Built to Last</I>. The authors' studies showed that companies that stand the test of time make lots of mistakes. They iterate. They try and try again. They evolve as required. I hold my disdain for the organizations that do nothing in fear of mistakes.<BR/><BR/>For your objectives NFS is a failure. For what I think are FamilySearch's near-term objectives, NFS is just short of a home run. Like <I>built-to-last</I> companies, they will iterate, NFS will evolve, it will become what it needs to be.<BR/><BR/>Commercial companies are listening. Your vote has been counted and you've won!! PAF has been updated. GEDCOM has gotten new capabilities. For less than the per-monthly charge for your cell phone, your cable TV or your high-speed Internet--for less than what you pay in a single month for any one of these, you can buy an update to PAF (by the original author, no less). Substitutes that some people prefer over PAF are available for free and for similar prices.<BR/><BR/>Oh my gosh! In this environment, why would FamilySearch ever want to spend money ever again on PAF?!<BR/><BR/>-- The InsiderThe Ancestry Insiderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02490682912125335188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5512311610334754148.post-9119718536119347442008-08-18T09:31:00.000-06:002008-08-18T09:31:00.000-06:00I have located the Levi Howard Family on the cence...I have located the Levi Howard Family on the cences for 1850 in Daviess County Kentucky. and they have roots to the Jamestown Settlement in Virginia in i607.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5512311610334754148.post-78991507138801712772008-08-18T03:36:00.000-06:002008-08-18T03:36:00.000-06:00All these horror stories about NFS sound like Fami...All these horror stories about NFS sound like FamilySearch messed it up again, that they are once again in over their head. <BR/>Rejecting GEDCOM files from Ancestral File, Pedigree Resource File and the IGI... OMG! Don't they test?!<BR/>They abandoned PAF, they are neglecting GEDCOM, all for the shiny new NFS...except that it aint so shiny :-(<BR/>I vote to pull the plug on this failure and update PAF.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com